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posted by: surrogate (reply) post date: 12.06.06 (4:52 pm) Oy! I can't imagine trying to write while having all this stuff rattling around my brain. I think it's why, although I wrote extensively as a little kid, I stopped the minute I started taking creative writing classes, and only started again once those awful things were far enough in my past to be nothing more than fuzzy memories. Perhaps this is just another of my many shortcomings, but for the love of God, I can't see how this sort of thing does any more than get in the way of the creative process for those of us with, perhaps, enough passion to move forward with our ideas, but who wold be stopped cold by the sort of criticism that would surely be generated by people who insist that knowledge of all the rules and definitions is a prerequisite to be qualified to write anything more serious than a photo caption. And by the way young man, you don't get to use the 2007 copyright date yet. Or do you? I've always wondered about that. posted by: tabootenente (reply) post date: 12.07.06 (8:26 am) surrogate, all this is metanarrative. it's how we talk about the way we tell a story. a long time ago, you once told me how you had an apprentice you were training to detail cars. your apprentice refused to deal with the NOW of learning the work--he wanted to jump directly to the end. you told him to buck up and put faith in the truth that there is a PROCESS of learning. he can't just understand the punch line without first hearing the joke. we read great books--we feel the books are really speaking in a way that we can hear. even if we don't understand everything, there IS something we understand. there is a story, and the way it was told to us helps us understand why the story means something. i'm not a huge believer in the canon of literature--i don't believe that the only way to create art is to understand all the "great" art that was created before we were born. but i do believe that in order to tell a story to someone, we have to understand (either through learning or through intuition) how we are telling a story. in writing workshops, our classmates always dissect our stories, usually without reading them as whole. that business is really frustrating. still, why don't they "get" it? why can't they read the frickin words that are clearly there on the page in front of them? one way to learn how to write is to write--and then write some more. the other way is to write--and then write some more. that's the only way to do it. but the woman who writes and writes but can't read what she's written in the way that other people are reading her stories won't understand how she's told her story. my writing workshops usually give me headaches and not much else. but when those workshops are paired with great reading classes, then all of sudden i can read the stories for what they were--ways of communicating. everything is a story--so we write them expecting people to read the STORY. but they don't, even if they they think they are. what they are doing is listening to the teller of the story. the teller is everything. would snoopy tell the story of holden caulfield? no way. would i tell the story of what it feels like to be a zimbabwean queuing up for dog food? if i did, i would be imposing all of my own ingrained prejudices upon a human being whose life is about co-opting all of my prejudices. my story would be worse than bad: it would resemble all the superior, privileged shit i've waved in their faces for centuries. that's what all this is about--telling a story that has meaning. criticism isn't really about creating jails of rules and definitions and knowledge. that's the role of governments (i'm not kidding). we read criticism written 80 years ago and it reads like bigotry, like snobby elitist bullshit. but we have 80 years of the world's experiences to show us what those critics couldn't see. those critics COULD see all the bigotry, the snobby bullshit that came before their own time. that's what they're criticizing. they are reexamining their own experiences. we can't cheapen that act without cheapening ourselves. we can't ignore who we are now, just because we know in 80 years other people will look back at us and think we were full of bigotry, of snobby elitist bullshit. to steal a phrase, we need to unlearn our privilege. if we don't, we'll just be replicating (to steal another phrase) an artifact. taboo ps. i like the 2007 copyright. it probably has as much value as the 2004-2006. i mean, in the first place, who would want to steal all this blathery hooeyhoohoo? and second, i don't have the faintest idea of how you really get a copyright. i just like the fact that i know how to make one of those little c's with a circle around it. heh. posted by: surrogate (reply) post date: 12.08.06 (3:39 pm) Someone told me that when we publish on the web, we're automatically copyrighted, but I doubt it. Getting one isn't hard, but it's not free either. Last time I legally copyrighted anything it was 29 bucks, but that was a few years ago. As for the rest of it, I'm not disagreeing. Hell I don't have the qualifications to disagree with any real oomph behind it. I just meant I was thankful they don't FORCE you to go through it all before they let you start punching keys or picking up a pen. On the other hand, it seems to be true that MOST well known authors have at least some real training. Oh well. posted by: tabootenente (reply) post date: 12.10.06 (9:37 am) surr, i certainly don't have the qualifications to make the argument that i'm making. publishing a couple of great american novels and securing tenure somewhere near the beach might give my ramblings a sharper bite. in the words of vonnegut: so it goes. the reason all this is on my mind, of course, is because i'm writing papers for two courses on this stuff. the business that really interests me is how we write. for writers, most of that stuff is self-evident, i suppose. but at the same time, i think the "how we write" business reflects what's happening to the consciousness of "our" culture. even when telling (never showing) fable or myth, plato believed some kinds of narrative were uncouth ies (dialogue, for example: how could the narrator know what words were spoken?) homer used dialogue in his mythy histories. he also put narrators inside other narrator's narratives. j. conrad put three or four layers of narrators in Heart of Darkness--making the truth very difficult to find, but still, each narrator was to a certain extent "reliable". why? setting up a secure state was the business of plato's contemporaries, so he writes the republic--poets are the lowest of the damned in the republic for replicating images rather than truth. his republic needed to be founded on philosophers--knowers of truth to legitimize the government. conrad was writing during the early stages of the death of the enlightenment, so his narrators are reliable but they also cannot find the truth they were looking for. hemingway's narrators no longer even care about truth--the search for truth is irrelevant. hemingway witnesses two world wars up close and personal--everything is in a state of decay. the world is the world, and living is about dealing with how alone we all are, respect for those who acquit themselves well in the face of loneliness, and a sense of subjective justice by the time we get to salinger, the belief in human agency has taken such a hit that narrators no longer pursue even personal truth. holden caulfield is completely unreliable. he tells his story from a bed in a mental ward. everything he says is a rationalization, and he contradicts himself at every turn. and now? who knows? but when we take the background of what's going on out there, filter it through our eyes, and then try to reorganize it in a way that visibly makes sense to us, what we're doing is creating narrative: we're trying to tell a story. the story is exactly the same as it was 100 years, but the way we tell it changes every day. taboo |
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