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posted by: Atsunay (reply) post date: 03.03.06 (9:04 am) Wow, I like your style of writeing ^^ I also like this "honest" and "fair," when added together, do not always equal the value of "right." I'd say something more but my brain does not appear to be working currently. I only just got the jist of what you have written. posted by: TaBooTenente (reply) post date: 03.03.06 (9:20 am) thanks, ats. if you picked up even the jist, i salute you. im sure that in my effort to be both as vague and precise as possible, i made it nearly impossible for folks to understand what i was saying. basically, i think things always happen for essential, fundamental reasons--no simple coincidence, ever--and as time passes, we find it easier and easier to think of these events as fitting some sort of life story that we are telling. it is even easier to assume that we are the same old, tired human beings trying with endless futility to add meaning to our lives. but i think that we are ALWAYS capable of adding meaning, and new meaning, at that--if we refuse the temptation to pretend we understand everything in terms of "who we were, and who we will always be." it's an addiction: we see ourselves facing the same problems over and over again in our lives; and we believe that we are stuck in the same ruts; and most importantly, we believe that the methods we use to break from the ruts are the same as always. which is how we invalidate our hearts. taboo posted by: PastorDave (reply) post date: 03.03.06 (9:37 am) Well, taboo, once again I am not sure what you are saying. I can contribute such to my simplicity or your brilliance. Except that I like being simple. I like to read something and understand it, at least on a surface level. It seems you like to dissect and analyze and study, and find nuances, and explore cracks and crevices. I respect such. And your writings require the same of folks like myself. But it takes work, and I'm part of a lazy bunch. I guess I have not really touched on the essence of your piece. Keep writing, and I'll keep staring into your works of art, and maybe every so often I'll see something that will spark some understanding. posted by: surrogate (reply) post date: 03.04.06 (4:42 pm) "I knew this and know it still, and yet the blathering-but-ever-logic al Taboo Tenente is addicted to the idea of defining and isolating different pieces of a puzzle, to the deconstructing of every aspect of an interaction, and to attempting the creation an objective perspective." --And then, a few paragraphs later, you spoke of the importance of context... Disection does not produce a portion of the whole that has any value in an of itself... it simply produces a piece of the whole. I worry that trying ascribe so much meaning to figuring out the why's of the things that are on our minds is misplaced energy. While finding out that a wheel bearing is made out of a metal that is too soft for its purpose is useful for future design, it doesn't change tha fact that for the car it's been discovered on to run squeak-free, it has to be replaced... now. To wait for the manufacturer to redo the specs would mean months or years of idle time, during which a lot of other things can rust out. Okay, so I suck at the graceful blending of metaphors... the point is still valid isn't it? posted by: TaBooTenente (reply) post date: 03.05.06 (4:57 am) hey surrogate, how's it going? "Disection does not produce a portion of the whole that has any value in an of itself... it simply produces a piece of the whole." yeah, that's at the core of the problem. while i do believe you can remove a section of the whole, look at it, learn some things, i also believe that once you've removed that section and anaylyzed it a bit, you'll never be able to fit it back in where you thought it belonged. i saw a movie last night that i haven't completely digested yet--a perfect time to write about it is always before you understand something, right? i saw Broken Flowers--the jim jarmusch / bill murray flick that came out maybe 6 months ago. my girlfriend hated it. so maybe i was comparing it to Ghostdog or something (which i thought was fun), but Broken Flowers rocked me. friggin terrific movie. clearly im overreacting, but i loved it. i'm bursting with a spoiler here, but i'll withhold. hopefully i'm not giving anything away by saying that we have a protagonist searching for something in the world that will help him understand himself--something external to explain the internal. in some ways, he's retracing the past to help fill and replace the future that he is dreading. by isolating incidents from the past, and trying to compare them against each other, he hopes to understand a collection of experiences and tie them together. but as he lives in the past, of course, or as he hopes to create the possibility of a new future, he forgets, or forces himself to forget the exact same thing you are suggesting with your metaphor (i think). as david mamet once wrote: "the past is the past. the future is the future. but now is now, so fuck you." is anything worse than years of idle time? taboo posted by: surrogate (reply) post date: 03.05.06 (5:16 am) I'll watch it this week! Years of idle time? hmmm. I've done a few months of it in the last couple of years... You can keep it. (and then you go and quote another hero!) posted by: TaBooTenente (reply) post date: 03.05.06 (5:45 am) surrogate: i'm quoting you here: "To wait for the manufacturer to redo the specs would mean months or years of idle time, during which a lot of other things can rust out." i think i'm going to use that quote a few times today, with your permission, of course. but here's something i've wondered: are we really idling away our time, or does it just seem that way? grace quoted one of my heroes (steven wright) on someone else's post. the quote was something like, "Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it." taboo posted by: taboo tenente (reply) post date: 03.07.06 (6:25 am) allygirl: tagged?! that's almost worse than chain letters, allygirl. i should have mentioned that i'm a superstitious "biotch," so no blame attaches to your eternal soul, requiring additional millenia in purgatory expiating the scourge of your sin. so i stuck my 6ies (if the rest of you need to know, answers may be cautiously found on her blog) on your blog, and may the multitudenus existences of tendency and potential reality have mercy on our subjective conglomeration of neural networkings. taboo posted by: rizi (reply) post date: 03.08.06 (1:30 am) Hi Taboo.. This is the first time I am reading your blog and I am hugely impressed by the depth of your thinking and the clarity with which you express your ideas. A really good blog and interesting bloglet. Quite frankly, your writing brings back memories of my own investigation of the matter. I divulged into the way I was behaving in different contexts over the same issue. This study led me to the same conclusions as you. I have a curious question - do you think that its an anomaly and you need to do something about it? (I did albeit very slightly) rizi posted by: taboo tenente (reply) post date: 03.08.06 (4:36 am) thanks, rizi--and i'm loving your blog, by the way; i'm planning on sifting through some of your older posts today. all right, let me make sure i understand your question. you are wondering whether i believe that the repetitious sequence of similar-seeming events require an action on my part? if that's what you're asking rizi, then you've put your finger on the ridiculousness of my current life. i am in a relationship that means a lot to me, and yet i am unable to communicate with her in a meaningful, productive way (begging ayn rand's immediate solution); i participated in a transgressive conversation with my "good friend." the transgression was framed by the timing, that we were both involved with other people--that we each know well, no less. but the conversation would have been a transgression at any point in our "friendship," because, well, talking about taking the next step is always a transgression upon the nature of friendship; and now i am in a holding pattern. my "good friend" and i have agreed not to speak with each other until we figure out our "real" relationships; and meanwhile, as i described in the article, this sequence of conversations continues with different and occasionally surprising people. if i understand you correctly, you are asking whether i need to confront the occurrence of these conversations without having the capacity to understand the context. well, i believe that i have to respond in some way. the question is how. i could choose to believe that the world is trying to tell me something--that it is encouraging me to confront the situation head-on; i could choose to believe that this sort of conversation needs to be avoided--that i should realize there is something wrong with me, that such conversations keep taking place. i could remove myself from the apparent context--i could leave the city. the problem with context is that you're always left with the realization that honesty is never completely honest; that honesty does not usually equal "right"; that right is too elusive to ever pin down. i won't know what's right, what the real context of my life was until my life plays out, i think. so i suppose rand would suggest i go with the most rational expression of my gut feeling (which, when i had the initial conversation with my "good friend" would have led to a deeper, more fully realized transgression). kerouac might say that response=no-response. that there is no right and the separation between cause and effect is illusion. he practices buddha do-nothing. haha. schopenhauer: accept that desire pre-exists reason' but at the same time, practice art, and practice empathy for other human beings who, after all, are as wretched as i am. without any effort, i seem to follow schopenhauer's perspective, which is sadly pessimistic and largely impotent. glad i could answer your question in the most blatheringly unuseful way imaginable. let me think about it and see if i can't come up with a more succinct response. taboo |
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